There are discussions regarding details of the braita with the 3 different approaches to the burnt bird offering and the meaning of the word “according to the ordinance”. The mishna and gemara discuss the age range that turtle doves and pigeons need to be within in order to use for sacrificial purposes.
Chullin 22
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Chullin 22
אוֹחֵז בָּרֹאשׁ וּבַגּוּף וּמַזֶּה, אַף כָּאן אוֹחֵז בְּרֹאשׁ וּבַגּוּף וּמַזֶּה.
after the pinching, the priest holds [oḥez] the head and the body of the bird and sprinkles the blood on the altar, so too here, with regard to the bird burnt offering, he holds the head and the body and sprinkles the blood on the altar.
מַאי קָאָמַר? הָכִי קָאָמַר: מָה לְהַלָּן, כְּשֶׁהוּא אָחוּז הָרֹאשׁ בַּגּוּף מַזֶּה, אַף כָּאן, כְּשֶׁהוּא אָחוּז הָרֹאשׁ בַּגּוּף מַזֶּה.
The Gemara asks: What is he saying? There is no requirement with regard to a bird sin offering that the priest hold both the head and the body while sprinkling the blood. The Gemara answers that this is what he is saying: Just as there, with regard to the bird sin offering, when the head is attached [aḥuz] to the body, the priest sprinkles the blood on the altar, so too here, with regard to the bird burnt offering, when the head is attached to the body, the priest sprinkles the blood on the altar. This is what was cited above in the name of Rabbi Elazar, son of Rabbi Shimon, that one cuts a majority of two simanim in a burnt offering and not the two simanim in their entirety.
אִי מָה לְהַלָּן בְּסִימָן אֶחָד, אַף כָּאן בְּסִימָן אֶחָד? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״וְהִקְרִיבוֹ״.
The baraita continues: If so, perhaps just as there, in the sin offering, the pinching is performed with the cutting of one siman, so too here, in the burnt offering, the pinching is performed with the cutting of one siman. To counter this, the verse states: “And the priest shall bring it,” meaning that the burnt offering is sacrificed in a manner different from that of the sin offering, by cutting two simanim.
וְתַנָּא קַמָּא, וְכִי מֵאַחַר דְּנָפְקָא לַן מִ״וּמָלַק … וְהִקְטִיר״, ״וְהִקְרִיבוֹ״ לְמָה לִי?
The Gemara asks: And according to the first tanna, once we derive that both simanim of a bird burnt offering must be cut in their entirety from the verse: “And pinch off its head…and burn it on the altar,” why do I need the phrase: “And the priest shall bring it?”
אִי לָאו ״וְהִקְרִיבוֹ״, הֲוָה אָמֵינָא: מַאי ״כַּמִּשְׁפָּט״ – כְּמִשְׁפַּט חַטַּאת הָעוֹף.
The Gemara answers: If not for the verse that states: “And the priest shall bring it,” I would say: What is the meaning of “according to the ordinance” that is stated with regard to the bird burnt offering? It means according to the ordinance of the bird sin offering mentioned in that same passage, in the sense that even in the burnt offering, the priest cuts only one siman.
וְאִי מִשּׁוּם ״וּמָלַק וְהִקְטִיר״ – הֲוָה אָמֵינָא: מָה הַקְטָרָה בְּרֹאשׁוֹ שֶׁל מִזְבֵּחַ – אַף מְלִיקָה בְּרֹאשׁוֹ שֶׁל מִזְבֵּחַ.
And if you would say that one cannot suggest this interpretation due to the verse: “And pinch off its head…and burn it on the altar,” I would say that perhaps another halakha would be derived from that verse: Just as burning the offering is atop the altar, so too pinching is performed atop the altar.
הַשְׁתָּא דִּכְתַב רַחֲמָנָא ״וְהִקְרִיבוֹ״, דְּרוֹשׁ בֵּיהּ נָמֵי הָא.
Now that the Merciful One writes: “And the priest shall bring it,” indicating the distinction between the pinching of a bird burnt offering and the pinching of a bird sin offering, derive this also from the verse: “And pinch off its head…and burn it on the altar,” i.e., that the body and the head of a bird burnt offering must be completely separated.
חַטַּאת בְּהֵמָה, דְּאֵינָהּ בָּאָה אֶלָּא מִן הַחוּלִּין, מְנָלַן? אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא, דְּאָמַר קְרָא: ״וְהִקְרִיב אַהֲרֹן אֶת פַּר הַחַטָּאת אֲשֶׁר לוֹ״ – מִשֶּׁלּוֹ, וְלֹא מִשֶּׁל צִבּוּר, וְלֹא מִשֶּׁל מַעֲשֵׂר.
§ The first tanna of the baraita derives from the analogy between the bird burnt offering and the animal sin offering that a bird burnt offering is brought only from non-sacred animals and not from an animal purchased with second-tithe money, that it is sacrificed only during the day, and that the priest sacrificing it must do so with his right hand. The Gemara asks: From where do we derive the halakha that an animal sin offering comes only from non-sacred animals? Rav Ḥisda said that the verse states: “And Aaron shall sacrifice the bull of the sin offering that is his” (Leviticus 16:6, 11), from which it is derived: The animal must come from his cattle, but not from communal property, from his cattle, but not from second-tithe property.
בַּיּוֹם – מִ״בְּיוֹם צַוֹּתוֹ״ נָפְקָא! כְּדִי נַסְבַהּ.
The Gemara objects: The halakha that the bird burnt offering is sacrificed only during the day is derived from the verse: “In the day that he commanded the children of Israel to present their offerings” (Leviticus 7:38), not from the halakha of the animal sin offering. The Gemara explains: The requirement of sacrificing the bird burnt offering during the day is not derived from the halakha of the animal sin offering, and it was cited in that list incidentally, for no reason [kedi].
יָדוֹ הַיְמָנִית – מִדְּרַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה נָפְקָא, דְּאָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן לָקִישׁ: כׇּל מָקוֹם שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר אֶצְבַּע אוֹ כְהוּנָּה אֵינָהּ אֶלָּא יָמִין.
The Gemara objects: The halakha that the priest performs the service with his right hand is derived from the statement of Rabba bar bar Ḥana, as Rabba bar bar Ḥana says that Rabbi Shimon ben Lakish says: Any place where the terms finger or priesthood are stated with regard to offerings, the sacrificial rites of that offering are performed only with the right hand, and in the context of the bird burnt offering the term “priest” is employed. It is therefore unnecessary to derive this halakha from the analogy to the animal sin offering.
וְאִידַּךְ, כְּהוּנָּה בָּעֲיָא אֶצְבַּע, אֶצְבַּע לָא בָּעֲיָא כְּהוּנָּה.
The Gemara responds: And the other tanna, the first tanna of the baraita, who derived that the right hand is used from the analogy to the animal sin offering based on the term “according to the ordinance,” did not derive it from the statement of Rabba bar bar Ḥana because in his opinion, in order to derive that the right hand must be used, if the verse mentions only the priesthood, it requires mention of finger for the limitation to apply. If the verse mentions only the term finger, then it does not require a mention of the priesthood as well. With regard to the bird burnt offering, the priesthood is mentioned, but the word finger is not. Therefore, the halakha must be derived from the animal sin offering.
וְתַנָּא קַמָּא וְרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן, מִמּוּל הָעוֹרֶף מְנָא לְהוּ? גָּמְרִי מְלִיקָה מִמְּלִיקָה.
It is taught in the baraita that Rabbi Yishmael derived from the term “according to the ordinance” that is written with regard to the bird burnt offering that the pinching of the bird burnt offering is performed at the nape of the neck, as it is in a bird sin offering. The Gemara asks: And as for the first tanna and Rabbi Elazar, son of Rabbi Shimon, who derive other matters from that term, from where do they derive that pinching of the bird burnt offering is performed at the nape of the neck? The Gemara answers: They derive pinching that is written with regard to the burnt offering: “And pinch off its head” (Leviticus 1:15), from pinching that is written with regard to the sin offering: “And pinch off its head adjacent to its neck” (Leviticus 5:8).
מַתְנִי׳ כָּשֵׁר בְּתוֹרִין – פָּסוּל בִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה, כָּשֵׁר בִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה – פָּסוּל בְּתוֹרִין, תְּחִלַּת הַצִּיהוּב בָּזֶה וּבָזֶה – פָּסוּל.
MISHNA: It is written with regard to bird offerings: “He shall bring his offering of doves, or of young pigeons” (Leviticus 1:14). The age that is fit for sacrifice in doves, mature birds, is unfit for sacrifice in pigeons, immature birds;the age that is fit for sacrifice in pigeons is unfit for sacrifice in doves. At the intermediate stage of the beginning of the yellowing of its plumage (see 22b), a bird is unfit both as this, a pigeon, and as that, a dove, since it is no longer a fledgling but is not yet a mature bird.
גְּמָ׳ תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: תּוֹרִין גְּדוֹלִים – כְּשֵׁרִים, קְטַנִּים – פְּסוּלִים; בְּנֵי יוֹנָה קְטַנִּים – כְּשֵׁרִים, גְּדוֹלִים – פְּסוּלִין. נִמְצָא כָּשֵׁר בְּתוֹרִין – פָּסוּל בִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה, כָּשֵׁר בִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה – פָּסוּל בְּתוֹרִין.
GEMARA: The Sages taught a baraita in explaining the mishna: Doves, when they are older, are fit for sacrifice; when they are younger, they are unfit. Pigeons, when they are younger, are fit for sacrifice; when they are older, they are unfit. It is found that that which is fit for sacrifice in doves is unfit for sacrifice in pigeons; that which is fit for sacrifice in pigeons is unfit for sacrifice in doves.
תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: ״תּוֹרִים״ – גְּדוֹלִים וְלֹא קְטַנִּים, שֶׁיָּכוֹל וַהֲלֹא דִּין הוּא:
The Sages taught in a baraita with regard to the verse: “And he shall bring his offering of doves, or of young pigeons” (Leviticus 1:14), that doves are older and not younger. As one might have thought: And couldn’t this be derived through an a fortiori inference:
וּמָה בְּנֵי יוֹנָה שֶׁלֹּא הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים, תּוֹרִים שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים אֵינוֹ דִּין שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״תּוֹרִים״ – גְּדוֹלִים וְלֹא קְטַנִּים.
If pigeons, which were not deemed fit when older, were deemed fit when younger, as the term “young pigeons” indicates that they are young, then with regard to doves, which were deemed fit when older, isn’t it logical that they were deemed fit when younger? Therefore, the verse states: “Doves,” meaning older and not younger.
״בְּנֵי יוֹנָה״ – קְטַנִּים וְלֹא גְּדוֹלִים, שֶׁיָּכוֹל וַהֲלֹא דִּין הוּא: וּמָה תּוֹרִים שֶׁלֹּא הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים – הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים, בְּנֵי יוֹנָה שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים – אֵינוֹ דִּין שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״בְּנֵי יוֹנָה״ – קְטַנִּים וְלֹא גְּדוֹלִים.
The baraita continues: Young pigeons must be younger and not older, as one might have thought: And couldn’t this be derived through an a fortiori inference: If doves, which were not deemed fit when younger, were deemed fit when older, then with regard to pigeons, which were deemed fit when younger, isn’t it logical that they were deemed fit when older? Therefore, the verse states: “Young pigeons,” meaning younger and not older.
מַאי תַּלְמוּדָא? אָמַר רָבָא: לָא לִישְׁתְּמִיט קְרָא וְלִכְתּוֹב ״מִן בְּנֵי הַתּוֹרִים אוֹ מִן הַיּוֹנָה״.
The Gemara asks: What is the biblical derivation of these matters? Rava said: It is derived from the fact that it is not found that the verse would deviate from the norm and write: Of young doves, or of pigeons; rather, the wording in the Torah is always “of doves” or “of young pigeons.” Evidently, doves must be older and pigeons must be younger.
אֵימָא: בְּנֵי יוֹנָה דִּכְתַב בְּהוּ רַחֲמָנָא ״בְּנֵי״ – קְטַנִּים אִין, גְּדוֹלִים לָא, תּוֹרִים – אִי בָּעֵי גְּדוֹלִים לַיְיתֵי, אִי בָּעֵי קְטַנִּים לַיְיתֵי! דֻּמְיָא דִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה: מָה בְּנֵי יוֹנָה – קְטַנִּים אִין, גְּדוֹלִים לָא, אַף תּוֹרִים – גְּדוֹלִים אִין, קְטַנִּים לָא.
The Gemara objects: Say instead that with regard to pigeons, since the Merciful One writes: “Young,” this means younger birds, yes, older birds, no; but with regard to doves, if one wishes, let him bring older birds, and if he wishes, let him bring younger birds. The Gemara responds: Since doves and pigeons are always juxtaposed to one another in the Torah, it is derived that the halakha of doves is similar to the halakha of pigeons: Just as with regard to pigeons the halakha is younger birds, yes, older birds, no, so too with regard to doves, the halakha is older birds, yes, younger birds, no.
תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: יָכוֹל יְהוּ כׇּל הַתּוֹרִים וְכׇל בְּנֵי הַיּוֹנָה כְּשֵׁרִים? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״מִן הַתּוֹרִים״ – וְלֹא כׇּל הַתּוֹרִים, ״מִן בְּנֵי הַיּוֹנָה״ – וְלֹא כׇּל בְּנֵי יוֹנָה, פְּרָט לִתְחִילַּת הַצִּיהוּב שֶׁבָּזֶה וְשֶׁבָּזֶה שֶׁפָּסוּל. מֵאֵימָתַי הַתּוֹרִים כְּשֵׁרִים – מִשֶּׁיַּזְהִיבוּ, מֵאֵימָתַי בְּנֵי יוֹנָה פְּסוּלִין – מִשֶּׁיַּצְהִיבוּ.
The Sages taught in a baraita: One might have thought that all the older doves or all the younger pigeons would be fit for sacrifice; therefore, the verse states: “Of doves,” and not all doves; “of young pigeons,” and not all young pigeons. This serves to exclude birds at the beginning of the yellowing of their neck plumage, which are unfit as this, doves, and as that, pigeons. They are unfit as doves because they are not sufficiently old and as pigeons because they are no longer young. The tanna elaborates: From when are the doves fit? It is from when the color of their feathers turns a glistening gold. From when are the pigeons unfit? It is from when their feathers turn yellow.
תָּנֵי יַעֲקֹב קָרְחָה: מֵאֵימָתַי בְּנֵי יוֹנָה כְּשֵׁרִים? מִשֶּׁיְּעַלְעוּ. הוּא תָנֵי לַהּ וְהוּא אָמַר לַהּ, ״אֶפְרוֹחָיו יְעַלְעוּ דָם״. אֵימַת? אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: מִכִּי שָׁמֵיט גַּדְפָּא מִינֵיהּ וְאָתֵי דְּמָא.
Ya’akov Korḥa taught a baraita: From when are pigeons fit? It is from when ye’alu. He teaches the baraita and he states its explanation: The reference is to that which is stated: “Its fledglings will suck up [ye’alu] blood” (Job 39:30). When is that? Abaye said: It is from the stage when one plucks a feather from it and blood emerges.
בָּעֵי רַבִּי זֵירָא: הָאוֹמֵר ״הֲרֵי עָלַי עוֹלָה מִן הַתּוֹרִים אוֹ מִן בְּנֵי הַיּוֹנָה״, וְהֵבִיא תְּחִלַּת הַצִּיהוּב שֶׁבָּזֶה וְשֶׁבָּזֶה, מַהוּ? סְפֵיקָא הָוֵי וְנָפֵיק, אוֹ דִילְמָא בְּרִיָּה הָוֵי וְלָא נָפֵיק?
§ Rabbi Zeira raises a dilemma: With regard to one who says: It is incumbent upon me to bring a burnt offering of doves or of pigeons, and he brought birds at the beginning of the yellowing of their neck plumage of this, doves, and of that, pigeons, what is the halakha? Is it a case of uncertainty whether it is considered older or younger, and therefore when he brings both he fulfills his obligation, as one of the birds was fit for sacrifice; or perhaps a bird at the beginning of the yellowing is an entity in and of itself and is neither older nor younger, and he does not fulfill his obligation?
אָמַר רָבָא, תָּא שְׁמַע: פְּרָט לִתְחִילַּת הַצִּיהוּב שֶׁבָּזֶה וְשֶׁבָּזֶה, שֶׁפָּסוּל. אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא בְּרִיָּה הָוֵי – שַׁפִּיר, אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ סְפֵיקָא הָוֵי, אִיצְטְרִיךְ קְרָא לְמַעוֹטֵי סְפֵיקָא?
Rava said: Come and hear proof from the baraita where it is taught that the verse: “Of doves or of young pigeons,” serves to exclude birds at the beginning of the yellowing of their neck plumage that are unfit as this, doves, and as that, pigeons. Granted, if you say that a bird at that stage is an entity in and of itself, that works out well, as the verse serves to ensure that a bird at that stage of development will never be sacrificed. But if you say that it is a case of uncertainty, was it necessary for the verse to exclude a case of uncertainty?
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I have joined the community of daf yomi learners at the start of this cycle. I have studied in different ways – by reading the page, translating the page, attending a local shiur and listening to Rabbanit Farber’s podcasts, depending on circumstances and where I was at the time. The reactions have been positive throughout – with no exception!
Silke Goldberg
Guildford, United Kingdom
I had no formal learning in Talmud until I began my studies in the Joint Program where in 1976 I was one of the few, if not the only, woman talmud major. It was superior training for law school and enabled me to approach my legal studies with a foundation . In 2018, I began daf yomi listening to Rabbanit MIchelle’s pod cast and my daily talmud studies are one of the highlights of my life.
Terri Krivosha
Minneapolis, United States
I decided to give daf yomi a try when I heard about the siyum hashas in 2020. Once the pandemic hit, the daily commitment gave my days some much-needed structure. There have been times when I’ve felt like quitting- especially when encountering very technical details in the text. But then I tell myself, “Look how much you’ve done. You can’t stop now!” So I keep going & my Koren bookshelf grows…
Miriam Eckstein-Koas
Huntington, United States
When I began the previous cycle, I promised myself that if I stuck with it, I would reward myself with a trip to Israel. Little did I know that the trip would involve attending the first ever women’s siyum and being inspired by so many learners. I am now over 2 years into my second cycle and being part of this large, diverse, fascinating learning family has enhanced my learning exponentially.
Shira Krebs
Minnesota, United States
3 years ago, I joined Rabbanit Michelle to organize the unprecedented Siyum HaShas event in Jerusalem for thousands of women. The whole experience was so inspiring that I decided then to start learning the daf and see how I would go…. and I’m still at it. I often listen to the Daf on my bike in mornings, surrounded by both the external & the internal beauty of Eretz Yisrael & Am Yisrael!
Lisa Kolodny
Raanana, Israel
Last cycle, I listened to parts of various מסכתות. When the הדרן סיום was advertised, I listened to Michelle on נידה. I knew that בע”ה with the next cycle I was in (ב”נ). As I entered the סיום (early), I saw the signs and was overcome with emotion. I was randomly seated in the front row, and I cried many times that night. My choice to learn דף יומי was affirmed. It is one of the best I have made!
Miriam Tannenbaum
אפרת, Israel
I started learning after the siyum hashas for women and my daily learning has been a constant over the last two years. It grounded me during the chaos of Corona while providing me with a community of fellow learners. The Daf can be challenging but it’s filled with life’s lessons, struggles and hope for a better world. It’s not about the destination but rather about the journey. Thank you Hadran!
Dena Lehrman
אפרת, Israel
I started learning Daf Yomi inspired by תָּפַסְתָּ מְרוּבֶּה לֹא תָּפַסְתָּ, תָּפַסְתָּ מוּעָט תָּפַסְתָּ. I thought I’d start the first page, and then see. I was swept up into the enthusiasm of the Hadran Siyum, and from there the momentum kept building. Rabbanit Michelle’s shiur gives me an anchor, a connection to an incredible virtual community, and an energy to face whatever the day brings.
Medinah Korn
בית שמש, Israel
At almost 70 I am just beginning my journey with Talmud and Hadran. I began not late, but right when I was called to learn. It is never too late to begin! The understanding patience of staff and participants with more experience and knowledge has been fabulous. The joy of learning never stops and for me. It is a new life, a new light, a new depth of love of The Holy One, Blessed be He.
Deborah Hoffman-Wade
Richmond, CA, United States
A beautiful world of Talmudic sages now fill my daily life with discussion and debate.
bringing alive our traditions and texts that has brought new meaning to my life.
I am a מגילת אסתר reader for women . the words in the Mishna of מסכת megillah 17a
הקורא את המגילה למפרע לא יצא were powerful to me.
I hope to have the zchut to complete the cycle for my 70th birthday.
Sheila Hauser
Jerusalem, Israel
I began to learn this cycle of Daf Yomi after my husband passed away 2 1/2 years ago. It seemed a good way to connect to him. Even though I don’t know whether he would have encouraged women learning Gemara, it would have opened wonderful conversations. It also gives me more depth for understanding my frum children and grandchildren. Thank you Hadran and Rabbanit Michelle Farber!!
Harriet Hartman
Tzur Hadassah, Israel
As Jewish educator and as a woman, I’m mindful that Talmud has been kept from women for many centuries. Now that we are privileged to learn, and learning is so accessible, it’s my intent to complete Daf Yomi. I am so excited to keep learning with my Hadran community.
Sue Parker Gerson
Denver, United States
I had dreamed of doing daf yomi since I had my first serious Talmud class 18 years ago at Pardes with Rahel Berkovitz, and then a couple of summers with Leah Rosenthal. There is no way I would be able to do it without another wonderful teacher, Michelle, and the Hadran organization. I wake up and am excited to start each day with the next daf.
Beth Elster
Irvine, United States
I was moved to tears by the Hadran Siyyum HaShas. I have learned Torah all my life, but never connected to learning Gemara on a regular basis until then. Seeing the sheer joy Talmud Torah at the siyyum, I felt compelled to be part of it, and I haven’t missed a day!
It’s not always easy, but it is so worthwhile, and it has strengthened my love of learning. It is part of my life now.
Michelle Lewis
Beit Shemesh, Israel
When the new cycle began, I thought, If not now, when? I’d just turned 72. I feel like a tourist on a tour bus passing astonishing scenery each day. Rabbanit Michelle is my beloved tour guide. When the cycle ends, I’ll be 80. I pray that I’ll have strength and mind to continue the journey to glimpse a little more. My grandchildren think having a daf-learning savta is cool!
Wendy Dickstein
Jerusalem, Israel
I went to day school in Toronto but really began to learn when I attended Brovenders back in the early 1980’s. Last year after talking to my sister who was learning Daf Yomi, inspired, I looked on the computer and the Hadran site came up. I have been listening to each days shiur in the morning as I work. I emphasis listening since I am not sitting with a Gamara. I listen while I work in my studio.
Rachel Rotenberg
Tekoa, Israel
I started learning Daf in Jan 2020 with Brachot b/c I had never seen the Jewish people united around something so positive, and I wanted to be a part of it. Also, I wanted to broaden my background in Torah Shebal Peh- Maayanot gave me a great gemara education, but I knew that I could hold a conversation in most parts of tanach but almost no TSB. I’m so thankful for Daf and have gained immensely.
Meira Shapiro
NJ, United States
I had no formal learning in Talmud until I began my studies in the Joint Program where in 1976 I was one of the few, if not the only, woman talmud major. It was superior training for law school and enabled me to approach my legal studies with a foundation . In 2018, I began daf yomi listening to Rabbanit MIchelle’s pod cast and my daily talmud studies are one of the highlights of my life.
Terri Krivosha
Minneapolis, United States
Chullin 22
אוֹחֵז בָּרֹאשׁ וּבַגּוּף וּמַזֶּה, אַף כָּאן אוֹחֵז בְּרֹאשׁ וּבַגּוּף וּמַזֶּה.
after the pinching, the priest holds [oḥez] the head and the body of the bird and sprinkles the blood on the altar, so too here, with regard to the bird burnt offering, he holds the head and the body and sprinkles the blood on the altar.
מַאי קָאָמַר? הָכִי קָאָמַר: מָה לְהַלָּן, כְּשֶׁהוּא אָחוּז הָרֹאשׁ בַּגּוּף מַזֶּה, אַף כָּאן, כְּשֶׁהוּא אָחוּז הָרֹאשׁ בַּגּוּף מַזֶּה.
The Gemara asks: What is he saying? There is no requirement with regard to a bird sin offering that the priest hold both the head and the body while sprinkling the blood. The Gemara answers that this is what he is saying: Just as there, with regard to the bird sin offering, when the head is attached [aḥuz] to the body, the priest sprinkles the blood on the altar, so too here, with regard to the bird burnt offering, when the head is attached to the body, the priest sprinkles the blood on the altar. This is what was cited above in the name of Rabbi Elazar, son of Rabbi Shimon, that one cuts a majority of two simanim in a burnt offering and not the two simanim in their entirety.
אִי מָה לְהַלָּן בְּסִימָן אֶחָד, אַף כָּאן בְּסִימָן אֶחָד? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״וְהִקְרִיבוֹ״.
The baraita continues: If so, perhaps just as there, in the sin offering, the pinching is performed with the cutting of one siman, so too here, in the burnt offering, the pinching is performed with the cutting of one siman. To counter this, the verse states: “And the priest shall bring it,” meaning that the burnt offering is sacrificed in a manner different from that of the sin offering, by cutting two simanim.
וְתַנָּא קַמָּא, וְכִי מֵאַחַר דְּנָפְקָא לַן מִ״וּמָלַק … וְהִקְטִיר״, ״וְהִקְרִיבוֹ״ לְמָה לִי?
The Gemara asks: And according to the first tanna, once we derive that both simanim of a bird burnt offering must be cut in their entirety from the verse: “And pinch off its head…and burn it on the altar,” why do I need the phrase: “And the priest shall bring it?”
אִי לָאו ״וְהִקְרִיבוֹ״, הֲוָה אָמֵינָא: מַאי ״כַּמִּשְׁפָּט״ – כְּמִשְׁפַּט חַטַּאת הָעוֹף.
The Gemara answers: If not for the verse that states: “And the priest shall bring it,” I would say: What is the meaning of “according to the ordinance” that is stated with regard to the bird burnt offering? It means according to the ordinance of the bird sin offering mentioned in that same passage, in the sense that even in the burnt offering, the priest cuts only one siman.
וְאִי מִשּׁוּם ״וּמָלַק וְהִקְטִיר״ – הֲוָה אָמֵינָא: מָה הַקְטָרָה בְּרֹאשׁוֹ שֶׁל מִזְבֵּחַ – אַף מְלִיקָה בְּרֹאשׁוֹ שֶׁל מִזְבֵּחַ.
And if you would say that one cannot suggest this interpretation due to the verse: “And pinch off its head…and burn it on the altar,” I would say that perhaps another halakha would be derived from that verse: Just as burning the offering is atop the altar, so too pinching is performed atop the altar.
הַשְׁתָּא דִּכְתַב רַחֲמָנָא ״וְהִקְרִיבוֹ״, דְּרוֹשׁ בֵּיהּ נָמֵי הָא.
Now that the Merciful One writes: “And the priest shall bring it,” indicating the distinction between the pinching of a bird burnt offering and the pinching of a bird sin offering, derive this also from the verse: “And pinch off its head…and burn it on the altar,” i.e., that the body and the head of a bird burnt offering must be completely separated.
חַטַּאת בְּהֵמָה, דְּאֵינָהּ בָּאָה אֶלָּא מִן הַחוּלִּין, מְנָלַן? אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא, דְּאָמַר קְרָא: ״וְהִקְרִיב אַהֲרֹן אֶת פַּר הַחַטָּאת אֲשֶׁר לוֹ״ – מִשֶּׁלּוֹ, וְלֹא מִשֶּׁל צִבּוּר, וְלֹא מִשֶּׁל מַעֲשֵׂר.
§ The first tanna of the baraita derives from the analogy between the bird burnt offering and the animal sin offering that a bird burnt offering is brought only from non-sacred animals and not from an animal purchased with second-tithe money, that it is sacrificed only during the day, and that the priest sacrificing it must do so with his right hand. The Gemara asks: From where do we derive the halakha that an animal sin offering comes only from non-sacred animals? Rav Ḥisda said that the verse states: “And Aaron shall sacrifice the bull of the sin offering that is his” (Leviticus 16:6, 11), from which it is derived: The animal must come from his cattle, but not from communal property, from his cattle, but not from second-tithe property.
בַּיּוֹם – מִ״בְּיוֹם צַוֹּתוֹ״ נָפְקָא! כְּדִי נַסְבַהּ.
The Gemara objects: The halakha that the bird burnt offering is sacrificed only during the day is derived from the verse: “In the day that he commanded the children of Israel to present their offerings” (Leviticus 7:38), not from the halakha of the animal sin offering. The Gemara explains: The requirement of sacrificing the bird burnt offering during the day is not derived from the halakha of the animal sin offering, and it was cited in that list incidentally, for no reason [kedi].
יָדוֹ הַיְמָנִית – מִדְּרַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה נָפְקָא, דְּאָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן לָקִישׁ: כׇּל מָקוֹם שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר אֶצְבַּע אוֹ כְהוּנָּה אֵינָהּ אֶלָּא יָמִין.
The Gemara objects: The halakha that the priest performs the service with his right hand is derived from the statement of Rabba bar bar Ḥana, as Rabba bar bar Ḥana says that Rabbi Shimon ben Lakish says: Any place where the terms finger or priesthood are stated with regard to offerings, the sacrificial rites of that offering are performed only with the right hand, and in the context of the bird burnt offering the term “priest” is employed. It is therefore unnecessary to derive this halakha from the analogy to the animal sin offering.
וְאִידַּךְ, כְּהוּנָּה בָּעֲיָא אֶצְבַּע, אֶצְבַּע לָא בָּעֲיָא כְּהוּנָּה.
The Gemara responds: And the other tanna, the first tanna of the baraita, who derived that the right hand is used from the analogy to the animal sin offering based on the term “according to the ordinance,” did not derive it from the statement of Rabba bar bar Ḥana because in his opinion, in order to derive that the right hand must be used, if the verse mentions only the priesthood, it requires mention of finger for the limitation to apply. If the verse mentions only the term finger, then it does not require a mention of the priesthood as well. With regard to the bird burnt offering, the priesthood is mentioned, but the word finger is not. Therefore, the halakha must be derived from the animal sin offering.
וְתַנָּא קַמָּא וְרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן, מִמּוּל הָעוֹרֶף מְנָא לְהוּ? גָּמְרִי מְלִיקָה מִמְּלִיקָה.
It is taught in the baraita that Rabbi Yishmael derived from the term “according to the ordinance” that is written with regard to the bird burnt offering that the pinching of the bird burnt offering is performed at the nape of the neck, as it is in a bird sin offering. The Gemara asks: And as for the first tanna and Rabbi Elazar, son of Rabbi Shimon, who derive other matters from that term, from where do they derive that pinching of the bird burnt offering is performed at the nape of the neck? The Gemara answers: They derive pinching that is written with regard to the burnt offering: “And pinch off its head” (Leviticus 1:15), from pinching that is written with regard to the sin offering: “And pinch off its head adjacent to its neck” (Leviticus 5:8).
מַתְנִי׳ כָּשֵׁר בְּתוֹרִין – פָּסוּל בִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה, כָּשֵׁר בִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה – פָּסוּל בְּתוֹרִין, תְּחִלַּת הַצִּיהוּב בָּזֶה וּבָזֶה – פָּסוּל.
MISHNA: It is written with regard to bird offerings: “He shall bring his offering of doves, or of young pigeons” (Leviticus 1:14). The age that is fit for sacrifice in doves, mature birds, is unfit for sacrifice in pigeons, immature birds;the age that is fit for sacrifice in pigeons is unfit for sacrifice in doves. At the intermediate stage of the beginning of the yellowing of its plumage (see 22b), a bird is unfit both as this, a pigeon, and as that, a dove, since it is no longer a fledgling but is not yet a mature bird.
גְּמָ׳ תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: תּוֹרִין גְּדוֹלִים – כְּשֵׁרִים, קְטַנִּים – פְּסוּלִים; בְּנֵי יוֹנָה קְטַנִּים – כְּשֵׁרִים, גְּדוֹלִים – פְּסוּלִין. נִמְצָא כָּשֵׁר בְּתוֹרִין – פָּסוּל בִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה, כָּשֵׁר בִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה – פָּסוּל בְּתוֹרִין.
GEMARA: The Sages taught a baraita in explaining the mishna: Doves, when they are older, are fit for sacrifice; when they are younger, they are unfit. Pigeons, when they are younger, are fit for sacrifice; when they are older, they are unfit. It is found that that which is fit for sacrifice in doves is unfit for sacrifice in pigeons; that which is fit for sacrifice in pigeons is unfit for sacrifice in doves.
תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: ״תּוֹרִים״ – גְּדוֹלִים וְלֹא קְטַנִּים, שֶׁיָּכוֹל וַהֲלֹא דִּין הוּא:
The Sages taught in a baraita with regard to the verse: “And he shall bring his offering of doves, or of young pigeons” (Leviticus 1:14), that doves are older and not younger. As one might have thought: And couldn’t this be derived through an a fortiori inference:
וּמָה בְּנֵי יוֹנָה שֶׁלֹּא הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים, תּוֹרִים שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים אֵינוֹ דִּין שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״תּוֹרִים״ – גְּדוֹלִים וְלֹא קְטַנִּים.
If pigeons, which were not deemed fit when older, were deemed fit when younger, as the term “young pigeons” indicates that they are young, then with regard to doves, which were deemed fit when older, isn’t it logical that they were deemed fit when younger? Therefore, the verse states: “Doves,” meaning older and not younger.
״בְּנֵי יוֹנָה״ – קְטַנִּים וְלֹא גְּדוֹלִים, שֶׁיָּכוֹל וַהֲלֹא דִּין הוּא: וּמָה תּוֹרִים שֶׁלֹּא הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים – הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים, בְּנֵי יוֹנָה שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים – אֵינוֹ דִּין שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״בְּנֵי יוֹנָה״ – קְטַנִּים וְלֹא גְּדוֹלִים.
The baraita continues: Young pigeons must be younger and not older, as one might have thought: And couldn’t this be derived through an a fortiori inference: If doves, which were not deemed fit when younger, were deemed fit when older, then with regard to pigeons, which were deemed fit when younger, isn’t it logical that they were deemed fit when older? Therefore, the verse states: “Young pigeons,” meaning younger and not older.
מַאי תַּלְמוּדָא? אָמַר רָבָא: לָא לִישְׁתְּמִיט קְרָא וְלִכְתּוֹב ״מִן בְּנֵי הַתּוֹרִים אוֹ מִן הַיּוֹנָה״.
The Gemara asks: What is the biblical derivation of these matters? Rava said: It is derived from the fact that it is not found that the verse would deviate from the norm and write: Of young doves, or of pigeons; rather, the wording in the Torah is always “of doves” or “of young pigeons.” Evidently, doves must be older and pigeons must be younger.
אֵימָא: בְּנֵי יוֹנָה דִּכְתַב בְּהוּ רַחֲמָנָא ״בְּנֵי״ – קְטַנִּים אִין, גְּדוֹלִים לָא, תּוֹרִים – אִי בָּעֵי גְּדוֹלִים לַיְיתֵי, אִי בָּעֵי קְטַנִּים לַיְיתֵי! דֻּמְיָא דִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה: מָה בְּנֵי יוֹנָה – קְטַנִּים אִין, גְּדוֹלִים לָא, אַף תּוֹרִים – גְּדוֹלִים אִין, קְטַנִּים לָא.
The Gemara objects: Say instead that with regard to pigeons, since the Merciful One writes: “Young,” this means younger birds, yes, older birds, no; but with regard to doves, if one wishes, let him bring older birds, and if he wishes, let him bring younger birds. The Gemara responds: Since doves and pigeons are always juxtaposed to one another in the Torah, it is derived that the halakha of doves is similar to the halakha of pigeons: Just as with regard to pigeons the halakha is younger birds, yes, older birds, no, so too with regard to doves, the halakha is older birds, yes, younger birds, no.
תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: יָכוֹל יְהוּ כׇּל הַתּוֹרִים וְכׇל בְּנֵי הַיּוֹנָה כְּשֵׁרִים? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״מִן הַתּוֹרִים״ – וְלֹא כׇּל הַתּוֹרִים, ״מִן בְּנֵי הַיּוֹנָה״ – וְלֹא כׇּל בְּנֵי יוֹנָה, פְּרָט לִתְחִילַּת הַצִּיהוּב שֶׁבָּזֶה וְשֶׁבָּזֶה שֶׁפָּסוּל. מֵאֵימָתַי הַתּוֹרִים כְּשֵׁרִים – מִשֶּׁיַּזְהִיבוּ, מֵאֵימָתַי בְּנֵי יוֹנָה פְּסוּלִין – מִשֶּׁיַּצְהִיבוּ.
The Sages taught in a baraita: One might have thought that all the older doves or all the younger pigeons would be fit for sacrifice; therefore, the verse states: “Of doves,” and not all doves; “of young pigeons,” and not all young pigeons. This serves to exclude birds at the beginning of the yellowing of their neck plumage, which are unfit as this, doves, and as that, pigeons. They are unfit as doves because they are not sufficiently old and as pigeons because they are no longer young. The tanna elaborates: From when are the doves fit? It is from when the color of their feathers turns a glistening gold. From when are the pigeons unfit? It is from when their feathers turn yellow.
תָּנֵי יַעֲקֹב קָרְחָה: מֵאֵימָתַי בְּנֵי יוֹנָה כְּשֵׁרִים? מִשֶּׁיְּעַלְעוּ. הוּא תָנֵי לַהּ וְהוּא אָמַר לַהּ, ״אֶפְרוֹחָיו יְעַלְעוּ דָם״. אֵימַת? אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: מִכִּי שָׁמֵיט גַּדְפָּא מִינֵיהּ וְאָתֵי דְּמָא.
Ya’akov Korḥa taught a baraita: From when are pigeons fit? It is from when ye’alu. He teaches the baraita and he states its explanation: The reference is to that which is stated: “Its fledglings will suck up [ye’alu] blood” (Job 39:30). When is that? Abaye said: It is from the stage when one plucks a feather from it and blood emerges.
בָּעֵי רַבִּי זֵירָא: הָאוֹמֵר ״הֲרֵי עָלַי עוֹלָה מִן הַתּוֹרִים אוֹ מִן בְּנֵי הַיּוֹנָה״, וְהֵבִיא תְּחִלַּת הַצִּיהוּב שֶׁבָּזֶה וְשֶׁבָּזֶה, מַהוּ? סְפֵיקָא הָוֵי וְנָפֵיק, אוֹ דִילְמָא בְּרִיָּה הָוֵי וְלָא נָפֵיק?
§ Rabbi Zeira raises a dilemma: With regard to one who says: It is incumbent upon me to bring a burnt offering of doves or of pigeons, and he brought birds at the beginning of the yellowing of their neck plumage of this, doves, and of that, pigeons, what is the halakha? Is it a case of uncertainty whether it is considered older or younger, and therefore when he brings both he fulfills his obligation, as one of the birds was fit for sacrifice; or perhaps a bird at the beginning of the yellowing is an entity in and of itself and is neither older nor younger, and he does not fulfill his obligation?
אָמַר רָבָא, תָּא שְׁמַע: פְּרָט לִתְחִילַּת הַצִּיהוּב שֶׁבָּזֶה וְשֶׁבָּזֶה, שֶׁפָּסוּל. אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא בְּרִיָּה הָוֵי – שַׁפִּיר, אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ סְפֵיקָא הָוֵי, אִיצְטְרִיךְ קְרָא לְמַעוֹטֵי סְפֵיקָא?
Rava said: Come and hear proof from the baraita where it is taught that the verse: “Of doves or of young pigeons,” serves to exclude birds at the beginning of the yellowing of their neck plumage that are unfit as this, doves, and as that, pigeons. Granted, if you say that a bird at that stage is an entity in and of itself, that works out well, as the verse serves to ensure that a bird at that stage of development will never be sacrificed. But if you say that it is a case of uncertainty, was it necessary for the verse to exclude a case of uncertainty?
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