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Today’s daf is sponsored by Diana Bloom in loving memory of her zeide, Israel Marmurek, on the occasion of his yahrzeit. 
Today’s daf is sponsored by Avi and Shelly Yonitzman in honor of their daughters’ bat-mitzvah, Shira and Hallel.
From where is it derived that an oath taken to not fulfill a mitzva is invalid? On Nedarim 16, it was derived from the word “devaro,” his word, which refers to an oath about voluntary actions, excluding mitzvot. However, the Gemara brings a different source to teach the same law, “le’hara o le’heitiv” for good or for bad. From the juxtaposition of these words, they learn that it only refers to voluntary actions, as just a “to do good” which refers to positive actions (i.e. to eat) cannot include an oath that would cause one to not keep a mitzva (as inherently that is not good), also “to do bad” (i.e. to eat) would include an oath not to keep a mitzva. Why are both derivations necessary? Another stringency of vows over oaths is that if one makes a vow twice on the same thing, both vows are valid, whereas if one takes the same oath twice, the second oath is not valid. Rav Huna holds this is only true about a vow if they do not 100% overlap, such as, “I will be a nazir today” and “I will be a nazir tomorrow.” Shmuel says it is true even if the second vow is 100% identical to the first, such as, “I will be a nazir today” and “I will be a nazir today.” The Gemara raises difficulties with Rav Huna’s opinion from (two from our Mishna and from two other sources). Three of the difficulties appear in this daf, one more in the continuation in Nedarim 18).

Nedarim 17

תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״לְהָרַע אוֹ לְהֵיטִיב״. מָה הֲטָבָה רְשׁוּת, אַף הֲרָעָה רְשׁוּת. יָצָא נִשְׁבַּע לְבַטֵּל אֶת הַמִּצְוָה וְלֹא בִּיטֵּל — שֶׁאֵין הָרְשׁוּת בְּיָדוֹ!

However, the verse states: “Or if anyone swears clearly with his lips to do evil, or to do good” (Leviticus 5:4). From the juxtaposition of evil and good it is derived that just as the doing of good, which is interpreted as obligating himself to take a positive action, is referring to a permitted activity, e.g., to eat, so too, the doing of evil, which is interpreted as prohibiting himself from something, refers only to that which is permitted, e.g., not to eat. This excludes one who takes an oath to nullify a mitzva and does not nullify it; he is not liable for violating the oath, as the permission to nullify it is not in his power.

חַד קְרָא לְמִיפְטְרֵיהּ מִקׇּרְבַּן שְׁבוּעָה, וְחַד לְמִיפְטְרֵיהּ מִן לָאו דִּשְׁבוּעָה.

The Gemara answers that both verses are necessary. One verse: “To do evil or to do good,” which is stated in the context of the halakhot of offerings, is necessary to exempt him from bringing an offering for violating an oath, and one verse: “He shall not profane,” is necessary to exempt him from the prohibition for violating an oath.

מַתְנִי׳ יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר, וְאֵין שְׁבוּעָה בְּתוֹךְ שְׁבוּעָה. כֵּיצַד? אָמַר: ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר אִם אוֹכַל״, ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר אִם אוֹכַל״, וְאָכַל — חַיָּיב עַל כׇּל אַחַת וְאַחַת. ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל״, ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל״, וְאָכַל — אֵינוֹ חַיָּיב אֶלָּא אַחַת.

MISHNA: There is a vow within a vow. It is possible to impose an additional prohibition, by means of a vow, on an item that is already forbidden by means of a vow. But there is no oath within an oath. If one takes an oath twice with regard to the same action, the second oath does not take effect. How so? If one said: I am hereby a nazirite if I eat, and then repeated: I am hereby a nazirite if I eat, and then he ate, he is obligated to observe naziriteship for thirty days for each and every one of the vows, as both vows took effect. However, if he said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat, and repeated: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat, and then he ate, he is liable to bring an offering for only one violation of an oath.

גְּמָ׳ אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״, דְּמִיגּוֹ דְּקָא מִיתּוֹסַף יוֹמָא יַתִּירָא — חָיְילָא נְזִירוּת עַל נְזִירוּת. אֲבָל אָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״, ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ — אֵין חָלָה נְזִירוּת עַל נְזִירוּת. וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: אֲפִילּוּ אָמַר: ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״, ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ — חָלָה נְזִירוּת עֲלֵיהּ.

GEMARA: Rav Huna said: They taught that there is a vow within a vow only where he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, and then he said: I am hereby a nazirite tomorrow. As since an additional day of naziriteship is added by the second vow, an additional thirty-day obligation of naziriteship takes effect upon the first term of naziriteship. However, if he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, and then repeated: I am hereby a nazirite today, a vow of naziriteship does not take effect upon a previous vow of naziriteship, and he must observe only one term of naziriteship. And Shmuel said that even if he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite today, a second vow of naziriteship takes effect with regard to him, as one can apply two obligations of naziriteship to himself one after the other.

וּלְרַב הוּנָא, אַדִּתְנָא אֵין שְׁבוּעָה בְּתוֹךְ שְׁבוּעָה, לִיתְנֵי: יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר, וְאֵין נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר. ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״ — יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר, ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ —

The Gemara asks: And according to Rav Huna, instead of teaching that there is no oath within an oath, drawing a distinction between a vow and an oath, let the mishna teach a narrower distinction between different vows, stating that there is a case of a vow within a vow, and there is a case in which there is not a vow within a vow. How so? If one says: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite tomorrow, in this case there is a vow within a vow. However, if one says: I am hereby a nazirite today, and then again says: I am hereby a nazirite today,

אֵין נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר! קַשְׁיָא.

in this case there is no vow within a vow. The Gemara concludes: This question is difficult, although it is not a conclusive refutation.

תְּנַן: יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר, וְאֵין שְׁבוּעָה בְּתוֹךְ שְׁבוּעָה. הֵיכִי דָמֵי? אִילֵימָא דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״, דִּכְווֹתַהּ גַּבֵּי שְׁבוּעָה: ״שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל עֲנָבִים״ — אַמַּאי לָא חָלָה שְׁבוּעָה עַל שְׁבוּעָה?

The Gemara raises several problems with the opinion of Rav Huna. We learned in the mishna: There is a vow within a vow, but there is no oath within an oath. What are the circumstances? If we say that the case of a vow within a vow is where one said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am a hereby a nazirite tomorrow, that in the corresponding situation with regard to an oath within an oath, which will not take effect, is where one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and he then said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat grapes, i.e., he took two separate oaths; if so, why does an additional oath not take effect where an oath was already made? It ought to take effect, as the second oath is not connected to the first one.

אֶלָּא הֵיכִי דָּמֵי דְּלָא חָלָה שְׁבוּעָה עַל שְׁבוּעָה, כְּגוֹן דְּאָמַר ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, דִּכְווֹתַהּ גַּבֵּי נְזִירוּת הֵיכִי דָּמֵי — דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״, וְקָתָנֵי יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר. קַשְׁיָא לְרַב הוּנָא!

Rather, what are the circumstances in which a second oath does not take effect after an oath was already made? For example, where one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and he again said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs. In the corresponding situation with regard to naziriteship, what are the circumstances? It must be a case where one said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am a hereby a nazirite today; and the mishna teaches that in this case there is a vow within a vow. This poses a difficulty to the opinion of Rav Huna, who holds that in this case the second vow does not take effect.

אָמַר לְךָ רַב הוּנָא: מַתְנִיתִין דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״. דִּכְווֹתַהּ גַּבֵּי שְׁבוּעָה, דְּאָמַר: ״שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר: ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים וַעֲנָבִים״, דְּלָא חָיְילָא.

The Gemara answers that Rav Huna could have said to you that the mishna is referring to a case where one said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite tomorrow; that in the corresponding situation with regard to an oath where one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and then said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs and grapes, the second oath does not take effect, as he had already taken an oath with regard to part of its content.

וְהָאָמַר רַבָּה: ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר: ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים וַעֲנָבִים״, וְאָכַל תְּאֵנִים, וְהִפְרִישׁ קׇרְבָּן, וְחָזַר וְאָכַל עֲנָבִים — הָוְיָא לְהוּ עֲנָבִים חֲצִי שִׁיעוּר, וְאֵין מְבִיאִים קׇרְבָּן עַל חֲצִי שִׁיעוּר.

The Gemara asks: But didn’t Rabba say that if one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and then said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs and grapes, and he subsequently ate figs, violating the oath, and he then set aside an offering for the violation of an oath on a statement, and he then ate grapes, in this case the grapes that he ate are only a half-measure of the second oath. The inclusion of both figs and grapes in the oath indicates that his intention was to prohibit himself from eating both. Since he already set aside an offering for eating the figs, he is now considered as having eaten only grapes and as having violated only half of the oath. And therefore he is not liable to bring an offering for violating the second oath, as one does not bring an offering for a half-measure.

אַלְמָא הֵיכָא דְּאָמַר: ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים וַעֲנָבִים״, מִיגּוֹ דְּחָל שְׁבוּעָה עַל עֲנָבִים — חָיְילָא נָמֵי עַל תְּאֵנִים! רַב הוּנָא לָא סְבִירָא לֵיהּ כְּרַבָּה.

The fact that he is exempt from bringing an offering merely because he ate a half-measure indicates that the second oath took effect. Apparently, where one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and then said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs and grapes, since the second oath can take effect with regard to grapes, as grapes were not included in the first oath, it takes effect with regard to figs as well. This poses a problem according to the opinion of Rav Huna, who would explain the mishna as teaching that the second oath in this case does not take effect at all. The Gemara answers: This is not a problem. Rav Huna does not hold in accordance with the opinion of Rabba, as Rabba was an amora and Rav Huna’s student.

מֵיתִיבִי: מִי שֶׁנָּזַר שְׁתֵּי נְזִירוֹת, מָנָה אֶת הָרִאשׁוֹנָה וְהִפְרִישׁ קׇרְבָּן, וְנִשְׁאַל עָלֶיהָ, עָלְתָה לוֹ שְׁנִיָּה בָּרִאשׁוֹנָה.

The Gemara raises an objection from a baraita: In the case of one who took two vows of naziriteship, counted the thirty days of the first term of naziriteship and set aside an offering at the end of its term, and then requested from a halakhic authority for dissolution of the vow before the offering was sacrificed, thereby rendering the offering unnecessary, the second term of naziriteship is counted for him instead of the first. He is considered as having fulfilled the second term of naziriteship during the period in which he observed the first one. Therefore, the offering that he set aside counts for the second term of naziriteship.

הֵיכִי דָּמֵי? אִילֵימָא דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״ — אַמַּאי עָלְתָה לוֹ שְׁנִיָּה בָּרִאשׁוֹנָה, הָא אִיכָּא יוֹמָא יַתִּירָא? אֶלָּא פְּשִׁיטָא דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״.

What are the circumstances? If we say that it is a case where he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite tomorrow, why is the second term of naziriteship counted for him instead of the first? Isn’t there an additional day in the second term of naziriteship that he has not yet observed, as the second thirty day term commences the day after the first thirty day period had commenced? How, then, is it possible that the second obligation was fulfilled through his observance of the first one? Rather, it is obvious that it is a case where he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite today,

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I have joined the community of daf yomi learners at the start of this cycle. I have studied in different ways – by reading the page, translating the page, attending a local shiur and listening to Rabbanit Farber’s podcasts, depending on circumstances and where I was at the time. The reactions have been positive throughout – with no exception!

Silke Goldberg
Silke Goldberg

Guildford, United Kingdom

After experiences over the years of asking to join gemara shiurim for men and either being refused by the maggid shiur or being the only women there, sometimes behind a mechitza, I found out about Hadran sometime during the tail end of Masechet Shabbat, I think. Life has been much better since then.

Madeline Cohen
Madeline Cohen

London, United Kingdom

When I began the previous cycle, I promised myself that if I stuck with it, I would reward myself with a trip to Israel. Little did I know that the trip would involve attending the first ever women’s siyum and being inspired by so many learners. I am now over 2 years into my second cycle and being part of this large, diverse, fascinating learning family has enhanced my learning exponentially.

Shira Krebs
Shira Krebs

Minnesota, United States

My family recently made Aliyah, because we believe the next chapter in the story of the Jewish people is being written here, and we want to be a part of it. Daf Yomi, on the other hand, connects me BACK, to those who wrote earlier chapters thousands of years ago. So, I feel like I’m living in the middle of this epic story. I’m learning how it all began, and looking ahead to see where it goes!
Tina Lamm
Tina Lamm

Jerusalem, Israel

I began daf yomi in January 2020 with Brachot. I had made aliya 6 months before, and one of my post-aliya goals was to complete a full cycle. As a life-long Tanach teacher, I wanted to swim from one side of the Yam shel Torah to the other. Daf yomi was also my sanity through COVID. It was the way to marking the progression of time, and feel that I could grow and accomplish while time stopped.

Leah Herzog
Leah Herzog

Givat Zev, Israel

Nedarim 17

תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״לְהָרַע אוֹ לְהֵיטִיב״. מָה הֲטָבָה רְשׁוּת, אַף הֲרָעָה רְשׁוּת. יָצָא נִשְׁבַּע לְבַטֵּל אֶת הַמִּצְוָה וְלֹא בִּיטֵּל — שֶׁאֵין הָרְשׁוּת בְּיָדוֹ!

However, the verse states: “Or if anyone swears clearly with his lips to do evil, or to do good” (Leviticus 5:4). From the juxtaposition of evil and good it is derived that just as the doing of good, which is interpreted as obligating himself to take a positive action, is referring to a permitted activity, e.g., to eat, so too, the doing of evil, which is interpreted as prohibiting himself from something, refers only to that which is permitted, e.g., not to eat. This excludes one who takes an oath to nullify a mitzva and does not nullify it; he is not liable for violating the oath, as the permission to nullify it is not in his power.

חַד קְרָא לְמִיפְטְרֵיהּ מִקׇּרְבַּן שְׁבוּעָה, וְחַד לְמִיפְטְרֵיהּ מִן לָאו דִּשְׁבוּעָה.

The Gemara answers that both verses are necessary. One verse: “To do evil or to do good,” which is stated in the context of the halakhot of offerings, is necessary to exempt him from bringing an offering for violating an oath, and one verse: “He shall not profane,” is necessary to exempt him from the prohibition for violating an oath.

מַתְנִי׳ יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר, וְאֵין שְׁבוּעָה בְּתוֹךְ שְׁבוּעָה. כֵּיצַד? אָמַר: ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר אִם אוֹכַל״, ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר אִם אוֹכַל״, וְאָכַל — חַיָּיב עַל כׇּל אַחַת וְאַחַת. ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל״, ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל״, וְאָכַל — אֵינוֹ חַיָּיב אֶלָּא אַחַת.

MISHNA: There is a vow within a vow. It is possible to impose an additional prohibition, by means of a vow, on an item that is already forbidden by means of a vow. But there is no oath within an oath. If one takes an oath twice with regard to the same action, the second oath does not take effect. How so? If one said: I am hereby a nazirite if I eat, and then repeated: I am hereby a nazirite if I eat, and then he ate, he is obligated to observe naziriteship for thirty days for each and every one of the vows, as both vows took effect. However, if he said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat, and repeated: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat, and then he ate, he is liable to bring an offering for only one violation of an oath.

גְּמָ׳ אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״, דְּמִיגּוֹ דְּקָא מִיתּוֹסַף יוֹמָא יַתִּירָא — חָיְילָא נְזִירוּת עַל נְזִירוּת. אֲבָל אָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״, ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ — אֵין חָלָה נְזִירוּת עַל נְזִירוּת. וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: אֲפִילּוּ אָמַר: ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״, ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ — חָלָה נְזִירוּת עֲלֵיהּ.

GEMARA: Rav Huna said: They taught that there is a vow within a vow only where he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, and then he said: I am hereby a nazirite tomorrow. As since an additional day of naziriteship is added by the second vow, an additional thirty-day obligation of naziriteship takes effect upon the first term of naziriteship. However, if he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, and then repeated: I am hereby a nazirite today, a vow of naziriteship does not take effect upon a previous vow of naziriteship, and he must observe only one term of naziriteship. And Shmuel said that even if he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite today, a second vow of naziriteship takes effect with regard to him, as one can apply two obligations of naziriteship to himself one after the other.

וּלְרַב הוּנָא, אַדִּתְנָא אֵין שְׁבוּעָה בְּתוֹךְ שְׁבוּעָה, לִיתְנֵי: יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר, וְאֵין נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר. ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״ — יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר, ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״ —

The Gemara asks: And according to Rav Huna, instead of teaching that there is no oath within an oath, drawing a distinction between a vow and an oath, let the mishna teach a narrower distinction between different vows, stating that there is a case of a vow within a vow, and there is a case in which there is not a vow within a vow. How so? If one says: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite tomorrow, in this case there is a vow within a vow. However, if one says: I am hereby a nazirite today, and then again says: I am hereby a nazirite today,

אֵין נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר! קַשְׁיָא.

in this case there is no vow within a vow. The Gemara concludes: This question is difficult, although it is not a conclusive refutation.

תְּנַן: יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר, וְאֵין שְׁבוּעָה בְּתוֹךְ שְׁבוּעָה. הֵיכִי דָמֵי? אִילֵימָא דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״, דִּכְווֹתַהּ גַּבֵּי שְׁבוּעָה: ״שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל עֲנָבִים״ — אַמַּאי לָא חָלָה שְׁבוּעָה עַל שְׁבוּעָה?

The Gemara raises several problems with the opinion of Rav Huna. We learned in the mishna: There is a vow within a vow, but there is no oath within an oath. What are the circumstances? If we say that the case of a vow within a vow is where one said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am a hereby a nazirite tomorrow, that in the corresponding situation with regard to an oath within an oath, which will not take effect, is where one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and he then said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat grapes, i.e., he took two separate oaths; if so, why does an additional oath not take effect where an oath was already made? It ought to take effect, as the second oath is not connected to the first one.

אֶלָּא הֵיכִי דָּמֵי דְּלָא חָלָה שְׁבוּעָה עַל שְׁבוּעָה, כְּגוֹן דְּאָמַר ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, דִּכְווֹתַהּ גַּבֵּי נְזִירוּת הֵיכִי דָּמֵי — דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״, וְקָתָנֵי יֵשׁ נֶדֶר בְּתוֹךְ נֶדֶר. קַשְׁיָא לְרַב הוּנָא!

Rather, what are the circumstances in which a second oath does not take effect after an oath was already made? For example, where one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and he again said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs. In the corresponding situation with regard to naziriteship, what are the circumstances? It must be a case where one said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am a hereby a nazirite today; and the mishna teaches that in this case there is a vow within a vow. This poses a difficulty to the opinion of Rav Huna, who holds that in this case the second vow does not take effect.

אָמַר לְךָ רַב הוּנָא: מַתְנִיתִין דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״. דִּכְווֹתַהּ גַּבֵּי שְׁבוּעָה, דְּאָמַר: ״שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר: ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים וַעֲנָבִים״, דְּלָא חָיְילָא.

The Gemara answers that Rav Huna could have said to you that the mishna is referring to a case where one said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite tomorrow; that in the corresponding situation with regard to an oath where one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and then said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs and grapes, the second oath does not take effect, as he had already taken an oath with regard to part of its content.

וְהָאָמַר רַבָּה: ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר: ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים וַעֲנָבִים״, וְאָכַל תְּאֵנִים, וְהִפְרִישׁ קׇרְבָּן, וְחָזַר וְאָכַל עֲנָבִים — הָוְיָא לְהוּ עֲנָבִים חֲצִי שִׁיעוּר, וְאֵין מְבִיאִים קׇרְבָּן עַל חֲצִי שִׁיעוּר.

The Gemara asks: But didn’t Rabba say that if one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and then said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs and grapes, and he subsequently ate figs, violating the oath, and he then set aside an offering for the violation of an oath on a statement, and he then ate grapes, in this case the grapes that he ate are only a half-measure of the second oath. The inclusion of both figs and grapes in the oath indicates that his intention was to prohibit himself from eating both. Since he already set aside an offering for eating the figs, he is now considered as having eaten only grapes and as having violated only half of the oath. And therefore he is not liable to bring an offering for violating the second oath, as one does not bring an offering for a half-measure.

אַלְמָא הֵיכָא דְּאָמַר: ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים״, וְחָזַר וְאָמַר ״שְׁבוּעָה שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל תְּאֵנִים וַעֲנָבִים״, מִיגּוֹ דְּחָל שְׁבוּעָה עַל עֲנָבִים — חָיְילָא נָמֵי עַל תְּאֵנִים! רַב הוּנָא לָא סְבִירָא לֵיהּ כְּרַבָּה.

The fact that he is exempt from bringing an offering merely because he ate a half-measure indicates that the second oath took effect. Apparently, where one said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs, and then said: I hereby take an oath that I will not eat figs and grapes, since the second oath can take effect with regard to grapes, as grapes were not included in the first oath, it takes effect with regard to figs as well. This poses a problem according to the opinion of Rav Huna, who would explain the mishna as teaching that the second oath in this case does not take effect at all. The Gemara answers: This is not a problem. Rav Huna does not hold in accordance with the opinion of Rabba, as Rabba was an amora and Rav Huna’s student.

מֵיתִיבִי: מִי שֶׁנָּזַר שְׁתֵּי נְזִירוֹת, מָנָה אֶת הָרִאשׁוֹנָה וְהִפְרִישׁ קׇרְבָּן, וְנִשְׁאַל עָלֶיהָ, עָלְתָה לוֹ שְׁנִיָּה בָּרִאשׁוֹנָה.

The Gemara raises an objection from a baraita: In the case of one who took two vows of naziriteship, counted the thirty days of the first term of naziriteship and set aside an offering at the end of its term, and then requested from a halakhic authority for dissolution of the vow before the offering was sacrificed, thereby rendering the offering unnecessary, the second term of naziriteship is counted for him instead of the first. He is considered as having fulfilled the second term of naziriteship during the period in which he observed the first one. Therefore, the offering that he set aside counts for the second term of naziriteship.

הֵיכִי דָּמֵי? אִילֵימָא דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר לְמָחָר״ — אַמַּאי עָלְתָה לוֹ שְׁנִיָּה בָּרִאשׁוֹנָה, הָא אִיכָּא יוֹמָא יַתִּירָא? אֶלָּא פְּשִׁיטָא דְּאָמַר ״הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם, הֲרֵינִי נָזִיר הַיּוֹם״.

What are the circumstances? If we say that it is a case where he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite tomorrow, why is the second term of naziriteship counted for him instead of the first? Isn’t there an additional day in the second term of naziriteship that he has not yet observed, as the second thirty day term commences the day after the first thirty day period had commenced? How, then, is it possible that the second obligation was fulfilled through his observance of the first one? Rather, it is obvious that it is a case where he said: I am hereby a nazirite today, I am hereby a nazirite today,

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